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Eisenia hortensis vs. Dendrobaena veneta

Interesting question from Erika:

I have read on some sites that the Eisenia hortensis (Euro
Nightcrawler) and the Dendrobaena veneta (also known as Dendrabaena
hortensis or Dendra) are the same worm. I know they can’t be since
they have a different scientific name, but figure they are closely
related by looking at their names. I have read on your site (which is
great by the way) that you have been using the Euros. Have you tried
the Dendras? If so which did you prefer for both composting, and for
reproducing?
I have been raising Eisenia fetida for almost a year now with much
luck in Wyoming but would like to branch out into other types of
worms.
If you have already answered this please let me know where I can find
it. I will continue to browse your site and see what else I can find
that I never knew I needed to know!!
Thank you so much. Erika

Hi Erika,
Your logic is certainly on target here – different scientific names should indeed indicate a completely different species. Given the fact that we are talking about different genera altogether (Eisenia vs Dendrobaena), makes it all the more likely that we are talking about very different worms!

There’s only one problem…

As fantastic as scientific ‘binomial nomenclature’ is, unfortunately from time to time those pesky scientists throw a wrench into the system and mess things up!
:-)

Every so often researchers will update the scientific name for a given species – typically once new evidence indicates that it is actually more closely related to species in another family, genus etc. Often it’s not as drastic a change as in the case of Eisenia/Dendrobaena – assigning various subspecies groupings for a given species for example, is something that occurs more often (especially with microbes and other teeny tiny critters)

As annoying as these discrepencies can be, it is really important for the scientist to make the change since it helps group organisms more accurately moving forward. Unfortunately there is no ‘CNN’ for mundane scientific news (like name updates) so this info doesn’t exactly go mainstream once it is announced! As such, these older names can end up lingering for quite some time.

What interesting about this particular case (and something that definitely does not help!!) is the fact that the Dendrobaena veneta name is still very widely used in Europe for some reason, while the new name has gained a lot more acceptance over here in North America.

Anyway, the bottom-line here Erika is that ‘YES’ I have been using Dendros and Euros – but only because they are one and the same!

Hope this helps!
8)

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Written by Bentley on October 14th, 2009 with 5 comments.
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Get your own gravatar by visiting gravatar.com Erika
#1. October 14th, 2009, at 6:21 PM.

Thanks so much. I have found a few sellers selling these worms under both names as if they are a different worm all togehter, thus adding to my confusion. I figured I should find out before buying one and the same.

Get your own gravatar by visiting gravatar.com robert daly
#2. November 3rd, 2009, at 6:11 PM.

heya me names robert daly .. i am wonder were can i find dendrobaena worms .. can they be digged up from any were or any place if so can you please contact me on
robert.-@live.co.uk

Get your own gravatar by visiting gravatar.com Bentley
#3. November 3rd, 2009, at 7:40 PM.

Hi Robert,
I don’t know how much luck you will have finding Dendros (E hortensis) digging in the soil. Looks as though you are in the UK based on your email address. I’d recommend getting in touch with some worm suppliers over there – should be plenty of people raising them. If none of the suppliers is willing to give any away, perhaps you could connect with other UK vermicomposters who are raising them – hobbyists tend to be a lot more generous with their worms!
:-)

Get your own gravatar by visiting gravatar.com Matthew Wilson
#4. November 4th, 2010, at 2:18 AM.

Hey Bentley,
There is a website selling both Dendrobaena veneta and Eisenia hortensis. He has two different pictures and two different prices. I guess he is either confused or just trying to not miss any sells, but it made me think maybe I was wrong in my thinking they were the same so I found your article while researching. So they are indeed the same worm? Are some people confused and calling another worm Dendras?

Bye the way, my prayers with you, your wife, and your soon coming child.

Get your own gravatar by visiting gravatar.com Jim Hunt
#5. December 2nd, 2010, at 2:05 AM.

Hey Matthew,

I emailed them and they said they had sent a sample to C. A. Edwards and he identified it as Dendrobaena veneta. They say the “Dendras” are smaller than the E. hortensis, produce compost a little faster, reach maturity a little faster and reproduce faster. Being between the E. fetida and the (normal) E. hortensis in size makes their “Dendras” a better size bait for some types of fishing (in their opinion). I say just use immature Euros if you want a smaller worm. I guess the reproductive advantages might sway some people toward this worm.

If you really want to be confused check out this species identification page: http://www.nurturingnature.co.uk/pages/subpages/educationadultpage.htm

Jim

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