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	Comments on: &#8220;Yellow Soldier Flies&#8221; &#8211; Revisited	</title>
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		By: Mike aka BW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike aka BW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2014 19:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jermey thanks for sharing your observations. The comparison of the two species under the same conditions was appreciated and I&#039;m sure others will find it useful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jermey thanks for sharing your observations. The comparison of the two species under the same conditions was appreciated and I&#8217;m sure others will find it useful.</p>
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		By: JTarr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JTarr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2014 16:58:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the links BW.  Interesting info.

After working with both species for a couple weeks, I can tell you that there&#039;s really comparison between the two.  BSFL do EXPONENTIALLY more damage to rotting food than YSFL could ever hope to do.  Also, it seems that YSF do not lay anywhere near as many eggs, and thus its much harder to get enough grubs at any one time to actually break down food in any meaningful way.  Another interesting observation, the YSF totally ignore cardboard strips, so I&#039;m assuming that they either lay their eggs on the side of the container or directly onto the food.  Also, they are not afraid to land directly on the food, unlike BSF, and are thus probably more likely to spread germs.  Also, YSFL do not self-harvest.  They try to find a drier spot within the container and pupate there.  Finally, BSF pupae are 4-6 times bigger than the biggest YSF pupae. 

I finally broke down and purchased BSFL larvae off the internet a little over a week ago.  In that time, some of the mature larvae (pupae) have hatched, bred, mated, and laid thousands of eggs (which have not hatched yet).

Conversely, my YSF have hatched, bred, and laid maybe 100 eggs which did hatch and have done nowhere near the damage that 10 BSFL can do in one night.  

Bottom Line: the only reason that I can think of that you would want to actively propagate YSF is if you need a high protein feeder for a very small pet, such as baby tilapia, baby geckos, etc.

I haven&#039;t checked my observations against any other sources or studies... just my observations.  So to your point Mike, there could be some external factors that I&#039;m not accounting for that are unfavorable to the YSFL. However, considering that they are the indigenous species, I would expect them to outperform the species that I had to fly in.

Last observation: the YSFL REALLY like dog feces (probably why they exist in my area in the first place).  They are not as enticed by coffee, bread, or meat.  They do, however like corn and high sugar content foods such as rotting grapes.  BSFL don&#039;t seem to really care what you feed them.  They annihilated about 10 gallons (sorry, container measurements) of coffee grounds in about 2 days.

Conclusion: even if you have to purchase a few BSFL off the internet in order to jump start a local population [I live downtown, so that was very necessary for me], I would absolute do that over trying to compost with YSF.  Just my $.02, hope that&#039;s helpful.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the links BW.  Interesting info.</p>
<p>After working with both species for a couple weeks, I can tell you that there&#8217;s really comparison between the two.  BSFL do EXPONENTIALLY more damage to rotting food than YSFL could ever hope to do.  Also, it seems that YSF do not lay anywhere near as many eggs, and thus its much harder to get enough grubs at any one time to actually break down food in any meaningful way.  Another interesting observation, the YSF totally ignore cardboard strips, so I&#8217;m assuming that they either lay their eggs on the side of the container or directly onto the food.  Also, they are not afraid to land directly on the food, unlike BSF, and are thus probably more likely to spread germs.  Also, YSFL do not self-harvest.  They try to find a drier spot within the container and pupate there.  Finally, BSF pupae are 4-6 times bigger than the biggest YSF pupae. </p>
<p>I finally broke down and purchased BSFL larvae off the internet a little over a week ago.  In that time, some of the mature larvae (pupae) have hatched, bred, mated, and laid thousands of eggs (which have not hatched yet).</p>
<p>Conversely, my YSF have hatched, bred, and laid maybe 100 eggs which did hatch and have done nowhere near the damage that 10 BSFL can do in one night.  </p>
<p>Bottom Line: the only reason that I can think of that you would want to actively propagate YSF is if you need a high protein feeder for a very small pet, such as baby tilapia, baby geckos, etc.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t checked my observations against any other sources or studies&#8230; just my observations.  So to your point Mike, there could be some external factors that I&#8217;m not accounting for that are unfavorable to the YSFL. However, considering that they are the indigenous species, I would expect them to outperform the species that I had to fly in.</p>
<p>Last observation: the YSFL REALLY like dog feces (probably why they exist in my area in the first place).  They are not as enticed by coffee, bread, or meat.  They do, however like corn and high sugar content foods such as rotting grapes.  BSFL don&#8217;t seem to really care what you feed them.  They annihilated about 10 gallons (sorry, container measurements) of coffee grounds in about 2 days.</p>
<p>Conclusion: even if you have to purchase a few BSFL off the internet in order to jump start a local population [I live downtown, so that was very necessary for me], I would absolute do that over trying to compost with YSF.  Just my $.02, hope that&#8217;s helpful.</p>
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		By: Mike aka BW		</title>
		<link>https://www.redwormcomposting.com/bsfl/yellow-soldier-flies-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-43167</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike aka BW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2014 12:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jereme that&#039;s interesting about their short duration as larvae. If they&#039;re like BSFL that can be directly related to temperature and abundance of food.

There&#039;s a bit of information on YSF &lt;a href=&quot;http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2173#p2173&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&#038;t=758&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jereme that&#8217;s interesting about their short duration as larvae. If they&#8217;re like BSFL that can be directly related to temperature and abundance of food.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a bit of information on YSF <a href="http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2173#p2173" rel="nofollow">here</a> and <a href="http://blacksoldierflyblog.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&amp;t=758" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
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		By: Jereme Tarr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jereme Tarr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2014 18:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve got a 10 gallon tub full of rotting scraps out in a shed by my woods that I&#039;m using to bait them into laying eggs.  However, I&#039;m only finding pupae (no larvae) in the food scraps.  In any event, I&#039;ve been transferring the larvae to a 50 gallon exo-terra tank filled with more rotting scraps to see if I can get the flies (so far I&#039;ve hatched 6) to mate and lay a swarm of larvae.  

My initial impression is that they&#039;re so much smaller than BSFL, that they couldn&#039;t possibly be as good for composting.  Also, they seem to go from larvae to pupae VERY quickly.  So, I doubt they&#039;ll eat anywhere near as much.  However, I&#039;m wondering if I can get enough numbers of them... maybe they can still do some damage to food scraps?

I will certainly update you guys with anything I learn.

P.S. Thanks to everybody for all the information I&#039;ve gotten from this site sneaking around reading things like a creeper!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve got a 10 gallon tub full of rotting scraps out in a shed by my woods that I&#8217;m using to bait them into laying eggs.  However, I&#8217;m only finding pupae (no larvae) in the food scraps.  In any event, I&#8217;ve been transferring the larvae to a 50 gallon exo-terra tank filled with more rotting scraps to see if I can get the flies (so far I&#8217;ve hatched 6) to mate and lay a swarm of larvae.  </p>
<p>My initial impression is that they&#8217;re so much smaller than BSFL, that they couldn&#8217;t possibly be as good for composting.  Also, they seem to go from larvae to pupae VERY quickly.  So, I doubt they&#8217;ll eat anywhere near as much.  However, I&#8217;m wondering if I can get enough numbers of them&#8230; maybe they can still do some damage to food scraps?</p>
<p>I will certainly update you guys with anything I learn.</p>
<p>P.S. Thanks to everybody for all the information I&#8217;ve gotten from this site sneaking around reading things like a creeper!</p>
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		By: Mike aka BW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike aka BW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2014 15:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Jereme if you do end up trying to compost with YSF I hope you&#039;ll let us know how it goes.

Mike]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jereme if you do end up trying to compost with YSF I hope you&#8217;ll let us know how it goes.</p>
<p>Mike</p>
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		By: Jereme Tarr		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jereme Tarr]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2014 22:08:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Did you ever find out if yellow soldier flies are any good for composting?  That&#039;s all I seem to be able to attract in the SouthEast US.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you ever find out if yellow soldier flies are any good for composting?  That&#8217;s all I seem to be able to attract in the SouthEast US.</p>
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		By: Kim from Milwaukee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim from Milwaukee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great idea Mike! Thanks!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea Mike! Thanks!</p>
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		By: Mike aka BW		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mike aka BW]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2013 17:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Yes the indoor outdoor setup should work. You&#039;ll have to try not to transfer larvae along with any BSFL frass (castings) when putting it in the worm bin. It would probably only be a few but the larvae can pupate and emerge as flies in a worm bin. If that&#039;s a problem you could freeze the frass first.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes the indoor outdoor setup should work. You&#8217;ll have to try not to transfer larvae along with any BSFL frass (castings) when putting it in the worm bin. It would probably only be a few but the larvae can pupate and emerge as flies in a worm bin. If that&#8217;s a problem you could freeze the frass first.</p>
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		By: Kim from Milwaukee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim from Milwaukee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2013 16:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[When I said &#039;partner&#039; I didn&#039;t mean in the same bin....their pH requirements and temperature requirements differ greatly, but to convert the &#039;waste&#039; product of the BSF into something nice and fluffy I think the worms would be great to process that since they love the BSF residuals.

I can see having a worm bin indoors and a BSF bin outdoors so the female doesn&#039;t repopulate the worm bin. Would that work??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I said &#8216;partner&#8217; I didn&#8217;t mean in the same bin&#8230;.their pH requirements and temperature requirements differ greatly, but to convert the &#8216;waste&#8217; product of the BSF into something nice and fluffy I think the worms would be great to process that since they love the BSF residuals.</p>
<p>I can see having a worm bin indoors and a BSF bin outdoors so the female doesn&#8217;t repopulate the worm bin. Would that work??</p>
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		By: BorealWormer		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[BorealWormer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2013 15:00:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bentley said &lt;b&gt;&quot;I’m still not convinced that they can be good partners in the same systems as Red Worms, since their tolerances/requirements are a fair bit different.&quot;&lt;/b&gt; This is very true. BSFL process food waste rapidly releasing a lot of moisture from the waste in a hurry. Purpose built BSFL bins have drainage systems but worm bins may not. This can make conditions in the bin soupy and not attractive for worms. Also BSFL generate a lot of heat which can also create temperatures to high for the worms to tolerate.

I&#039;m seeing quite a few requests for methods of removing them from worms bins. AFAIK there is not a sure fire method to do this. Also BSF are likely to repopulate the bin anyways as the gravid female BSF find the conditions in worm bins ideal for laying their eggs as there is a ready supply of food for the larvae when they hatch.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bentley said <b>&#8220;I’m still not convinced that they can be good partners in the same systems as Red Worms, since their tolerances/requirements are a fair bit different.&#8221;</b> This is very true. BSFL process food waste rapidly releasing a lot of moisture from the waste in a hurry. Purpose built BSFL bins have drainage systems but worm bins may not. This can make conditions in the bin soupy and not attractive for worms. Also BSFL generate a lot of heat which can also create temperatures to high for the worms to tolerate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m seeing quite a few requests for methods of removing them from worms bins. AFAIK there is not a sure fire method to do this. Also BSF are likely to repopulate the bin anyways as the gravid female BSF find the conditions in worm bins ideal for laying their eggs as there is a ready supply of food for the larvae when they hatch.</p>
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