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		By: Bentley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bentley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2013 14:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Very interesting, Ben! Thanks for sharing your findings.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting, Ben! Thanks for sharing your findings.</p>
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		By: Ben		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Mar 2013 19:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[For what it&#039;s worth, I&#039;ve made a point of adding small amounts (1-8 oz max) of fat,  meat trimmings (raw and cooked) and bits of &#039;no no&#039; materials to about half of my feedings just to see what was possible. I mix it with all the other food so it doesn&#039;t all end up in one place. I figured even if the worms avoided the larger chunks, the microbes would eventually end up attacking it. Here&#039;s what I&#039;ve found:

They all break down, given enough time. Obviously bones don&#039;t, but that&#039;s about it. Smells are more of a mixed bag. Add too much of anything and it smells. Broccoli and cabbage have yielded worse smells than the small amounts of proteins/fats I&#039;ve used. Large amounts of carbohydrates tend to yield more of a poop smell. Meats tend to generate a VERY faint rancid smell if they get too compacted. In my experience, as long as you mix these in with lots of other food products, a small amount of meat/fat isn&#039;t going to hurt the overall environment of a bin the size of a VB24. If you were to try large amounts without other foods/grounds/bedding to dilute it, I think you&#039;d probably see more of an issue, particularly with the fats. Obviously large amounts of grease/oil/fat will kill (suffocate?) your worms.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I&#8217;ve made a point of adding small amounts (1-8 oz max) of fat,  meat trimmings (raw and cooked) and bits of &#8216;no no&#8217; materials to about half of my feedings just to see what was possible. I mix it with all the other food so it doesn&#8217;t all end up in one place. I figured even if the worms avoided the larger chunks, the microbes would eventually end up attacking it. Here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve found:</p>
<p>They all break down, given enough time. Obviously bones don&#8217;t, but that&#8217;s about it. Smells are more of a mixed bag. Add too much of anything and it smells. Broccoli and cabbage have yielded worse smells than the small amounts of proteins/fats I&#8217;ve used. Large amounts of carbohydrates tend to yield more of a poop smell. Meats tend to generate a VERY faint rancid smell if they get too compacted. In my experience, as long as you mix these in with lots of other food products, a small amount of meat/fat isn&#8217;t going to hurt the overall environment of a bin the size of a VB24. If you were to try large amounts without other foods/grounds/bedding to dilute it, I think you&#8217;d probably see more of an issue, particularly with the fats. Obviously large amounts of grease/oil/fat will kill (suffocate?) your worms.</p>
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		By: Bentley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bentley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[JOHN - LoL! Hopefully, it was clear that I was VERY MUCH kidding about the cat. Even with my keen appreciation of composting, and mellow nature, I&#039;m doubtful that a pet cat&#039;s body would end up even in one of my outdoor composters! lol
I likely would have even been more respectful of the goldfish (or at least made more of a ceremony out of it) had my daughter been more attached (and upset) than she was.
As for fish as fertilizer, that&#039;s an approach Native Indians of the past employed as well. Even now there&#039;s fish emulsion fertilizer you can buy!
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THUAN - I&#039;ve been really pleased with my new skirt &amp; tray approach. Not losing any more worms and I&#039;m creating two additional thriving bins down below. As for the material coming out the bottom not being &quot;completely processed&quot;, in my case the only obviously-not-processed stuff is the remains of the cardboard false bottom. Everything else looks like nice vermicompost. Take a look back at Joe&#039;s VB96 update and you&#039;ll see that these systems can indeed produce nice stuff:
http://www.redwormcomposting.com/vermbins/joes-vb96-update/
Definitely more than &quot;worm kissing&quot; going on in there! lol

The type of materials you are adding can make a big difference though. If there are lots of tough resistant materials, there&#039;s a decent chance some of those will end up coming out the bottom - especially if they were used as part of the initial bedding mix when first setting up the bin.

As for heating - yeah absolutely. It&#039;s easy to forget how large these bins really are in comparison to a typical worm bin. Thankfully my basement is really cool these days, so temps in the VB48 have actually been fairly close to &quot;ideal&quot;.
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KIM - I&#039;m with you! I think it would almost be an embarassment (if I could feel the emotion after death - haha) if the &quot;Compost Guy&quot; ended up getting embalmed and all the rest of it. I think it&#039;s going to be au naturel for me!

I&#039;ve definitely heard about farm mortality composting - but I&#039;ve never been tempted to go down that road at all myself. Again, I assumed it would still be a nasty, smelly situation. Now, I&#039;m not so sure. I think some small-scale meat composting experiments may be on the horizon!
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JOHN - As mentioned earlier, if you are in doubt of the quality of vermicompost vermbins can produce just check out Joe&#039;s update post. He was absolutely thrilled with the stuff that came out the bottom of his bin (he&#039;s now getting ready for his second huge harvest in fact).

In my case - as mentioned in one of my &quot;Beast&quot; updates - my focus is definitely more on growing worms (and just generally having fun) than on producing vermicompost. So I&#039;m not worrying about adding too much liquid etc etc.

Would be interesting to compare vermicomposts produced by a Worm Inn and a VermBin though!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JOHN &#8211; LoL! Hopefully, it was clear that I was VERY MUCH kidding about the cat. Even with my keen appreciation of composting, and mellow nature, I&#8217;m doubtful that a pet cat&#8217;s body would end up even in one of my outdoor composters! lol<br />
I likely would have even been more respectful of the goldfish (or at least made more of a ceremony out of it) had my daughter been more attached (and upset) than she was.<br />
As for fish as fertilizer, that&#8217;s an approach Native Indians of the past employed as well. Even now there&#8217;s fish emulsion fertilizer you can buy!<br />
&#8212;&#8212;<br />
THUAN &#8211; I&#8217;ve been really pleased with my new skirt &#038; tray approach. Not losing any more worms and I&#8217;m creating two additional thriving bins down below. As for the material coming out the bottom not being &#8220;completely processed&#8221;, in my case the only obviously-not-processed stuff is the remains of the cardboard false bottom. Everything else looks like nice vermicompost. Take a look back at Joe&#8217;s VB96 update and you&#8217;ll see that these systems can indeed produce nice stuff:<br />
<a href="http://www.redwormcomposting.com/vermbins/joes-vb96-update/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.redwormcomposting.com/vermbins/joes-vb96-update/</a><br />
Definitely more than &#8220;worm kissing&#8221; going on in there! lol</p>
<p>The type of materials you are adding can make a big difference though. If there are lots of tough resistant materials, there&#8217;s a decent chance some of those will end up coming out the bottom &#8211; especially if they were used as part of the initial bedding mix when first setting up the bin.</p>
<p>As for heating &#8211; yeah absolutely. It&#8217;s easy to forget how large these bins really are in comparison to a typical worm bin. Thankfully my basement is really cool these days, so temps in the VB48 have actually been fairly close to &#8220;ideal&#8221;.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
KIM &#8211; I&#8217;m with you! I think it would almost be an embarassment (if I could feel the emotion after death &#8211; haha) if the &#8220;Compost Guy&#8221; ended up getting embalmed and all the rest of it. I think it&#8217;s going to be au naturel for me!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve definitely heard about farm mortality composting &#8211; but I&#8217;ve never been tempted to go down that road at all myself. Again, I assumed it would still be a nasty, smelly situation. Now, I&#8217;m not so sure. I think some small-scale meat composting experiments may be on the horizon!<br />
&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
JOHN &#8211; As mentioned earlier, if you are in doubt of the quality of vermicompost vermbins can produce just check out Joe&#8217;s update post. He was absolutely thrilled with the stuff that came out the bottom of his bin (he&#8217;s now getting ready for his second huge harvest in fact).</p>
<p>In my case &#8211; as mentioned in one of my &#8220;Beast&#8221; updates &#8211; my focus is definitely more on growing worms (and just generally having fun) than on producing vermicompost. So I&#8217;m not worrying about adding too much liquid etc etc.</p>
<p>Would be interesting to compare vermicomposts produced by a Worm Inn and a VermBin though!<br />
8)</p>
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		By: John W.		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John W.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 23:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[This system seems a lot more suited for half of the worm inn project/challenge. Seems reasonable to have 4 different feed zones in something of this size.

Out of curiosity...why would this system not come out with as good compost as the Worm Inn?]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This system seems a lot more suited for half of the worm inn project/challenge. Seems reasonable to have 4 different feed zones in something of this size.</p>
<p>Out of curiosity&#8230;why would this system not come out with as good compost as the Worm Inn?</p>
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		By: Kim from Milwaukee		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kim from Milwaukee]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 17:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d like one of these.... http://www.ecopod.co.uk/

A couple years ago someone left a 5 gal bucket of smelly fish by our trashcan. I assumed they wanted us to compost them, so we did. Never saw any evidence of the fish again. I buried them deep within the bin, of course, so the neighborhood cats weren&#039;t tempted.

There&#039;s a farmer in Illinois that has such a large composting operation that other farmers bring their dead animals to him and he buries them deep in the mountains of compost he has on site and within a couple weeks they&#039;re just a pile of bones.

So many ways we could solve the waste problem in this country.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like one of these&#8230;. <a href="http://www.ecopod.co.uk/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.ecopod.co.uk/</a></p>
<p>A couple years ago someone left a 5 gal bucket of smelly fish by our trashcan. I assumed they wanted us to compost them, so we did. Never saw any evidence of the fish again. I buried them deep within the bin, of course, so the neighborhood cats weren&#8217;t tempted.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a farmer in Illinois that has such a large composting operation that other farmers bring their dead animals to him and he buries them deep in the mountains of compost he has on site and within a couple weeks they&#8217;re just a pile of bones.</p>
<p>So many ways we could solve the waste problem in this country.</p>
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		By: thuan		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[thuan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 04:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Bentley, I have the same problem with the VB24 as you do, worms escaping through the bottom of the bin.  I loose about a dozen or so a week.  Because the bin is an outside bin, I try to save them but the worms tends to dry out by the end of the day.  So I used your methods and place a tray of pre-composting and try to catch the escapees.  Also, like you notice, the VB24 compost faster than the worm inn but not completely processed.  I use a lot of leaves for bedding and those looks rotted but not processed.  Like you say before &quot;kissed by worms&quot; materials are still good for the plants.  So compost from the VB24 goes into veggie/tomato garden while compost from the worm inn is used for worm tea.  I do this because I&#039;m too lazy to sift the casting/compost from the VB24.  The VB can process a lot of waste but I would still be carefull as to how much you can add before it heats up.  I don&#039;t remember how much or what kind of food waste I put in the VB24 but the center of the bin did heat up to 90F one time.   Maybe the VB48 is more forgiving (more volume).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bentley, I have the same problem with the VB24 as you do, worms escaping through the bottom of the bin.  I loose about a dozen or so a week.  Because the bin is an outside bin, I try to save them but the worms tends to dry out by the end of the day.  So I used your methods and place a tray of pre-composting and try to catch the escapees.  Also, like you notice, the VB24 compost faster than the worm inn but not completely processed.  I use a lot of leaves for bedding and those looks rotted but not processed.  Like you say before &#8220;kissed by worms&#8221; materials are still good for the plants.  So compost from the VB24 goes into veggie/tomato garden while compost from the worm inn is used for worm tea.  I do this because I&#8217;m too lazy to sift the casting/compost from the VB24.  The VB can process a lot of waste but I would still be carefull as to how much you can add before it heats up.  I don&#8217;t remember how much or what kind of food waste I put in the VB24 but the center of the bin did heat up to 90F one time.   Maybe the VB48 is more forgiving (more volume).</p>
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		By: John Duffy		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John Duffy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 03:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I agree. The cat would have to be composted outside!
  Fish do compost quite nicely and will help to grow some awesome rose bushes when planted down in the root zone. When we were kids, we would catch carp &#038; other &#039;trash&#039; fish for use in flower beds &#038; vegetable gardens.
 Potatoes also do really well when planted with fish.
Our condolences for Marlin/Nemo]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. The cat would have to be composted outside!<br />
  Fish do compost quite nicely and will help to grow some awesome rose bushes when planted down in the root zone. When we were kids, we would catch carp &amp; other &#8216;trash&#8217; fish for use in flower beds &amp; vegetable gardens.<br />
 Potatoes also do really well when planted with fish.<br />
Our condolences for Marlin/Nemo</p>
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