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	Comments on: Moisture Content and Stocking Densities &#8211; Impact on Growth and Maturation	</title>
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		By: Bentley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bentley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 15:34:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[KATOR - Thanks for sharing your experimental results/insights.
I definitely DO caution people about moisture because it can be so easy to overdo it when using an enclosed plastic bin (the most common type of system for newcomers). With draining systems and/or those with LOTS of air flow (and just generally, once one gains more experience) it&#039;s definitely not as much of a concern.
I think Red Worms could complete a full lifecycle in an almost-aquatic habitat for sure. I think that as long as there is ample oxygenation and some good habitat structure (such as would be found in a vermiponics bed or water filter) they would thrive. If the liquid is at all stagnant I suspect the worms wouldn&#039;t do all that well.
Anyway - do keep us posted! Very interesting stuff
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JORGE - Sounds great! I&#039;d love to learn more about what you are doing, and what you&#039;ve come across in your literature digging!
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KATOR &#8211; Thanks for sharing your experimental results/insights.<br />
I definitely DO caution people about moisture because it can be so easy to overdo it when using an enclosed plastic bin (the most common type of system for newcomers). With draining systems and/or those with LOTS of air flow (and just generally, once one gains more experience) it&#8217;s definitely not as much of a concern.<br />
I think Red Worms could complete a full lifecycle in an almost-aquatic habitat for sure. I think that as long as there is ample oxygenation and some good habitat structure (such as would be found in a vermiponics bed or water filter) they would thrive. If the liquid is at all stagnant I suspect the worms wouldn&#8217;t do all that well.<br />
Anyway &#8211; do keep us posted! Very interesting stuff<br />
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JORGE &#8211; Sounds great! I&#8217;d love to learn more about what you are doing, and what you&#8217;ve come across in your literature digging!<br />
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		By: Kator		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Nov 2010 00:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I feel that my comment on wiggler survival in water warrants a little detail. I stated, “I also experimented with wigglers proving that they can survive (not necessarily thrive) in water.”

The experiment involved hatching numerous eisenia fetida cocoons in Petri dishes which contained water, a feed mix and several types of insect larvae. The eisenia fetida not only hatched while submerged but also fed and grew in size. Growth was not as fast as observed in a “bin” environment, however the experiment was not designed to optimize growth. The project is being repeated and if successful it may be of value with the control of fungus gnats. It’s not a “normal” environment for eisenia fetida and full life cycle aquatic reproduction may not be possible.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that my comment on wiggler survival in water warrants a little detail. I stated, “I also experimented with wigglers proving that they can survive (not necessarily thrive) in water.”</p>
<p>The experiment involved hatching numerous eisenia fetida cocoons in Petri dishes which contained water, a feed mix and several types of insect larvae. The eisenia fetida not only hatched while submerged but also fed and grew in size. Growth was not as fast as observed in a “bin” environment, however the experiment was not designed to optimize growth. The project is being repeated and if successful it may be of value with the control of fungus gnats. It’s not a “normal” environment for eisenia fetida and full life cycle aquatic reproduction may not be possible.</p>
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		By: Jorge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jorge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Nov 2010 21:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bentley - I&#039;m pretty sure that is the case; most universities are connected through an ILL (interlibrary loan) system. Because I&#039;m currently researching issues like moisture and pH re: growth of worms, I&#039;ve been looking through a lot of literature and creating pdfs of studies I will be referencing. I can send them your way if you like.

Also excited for this upcoming release: 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1439809879/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d2_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&#038;pf_rd_s=center-2&#038;pf_rd_r=0D4GJ6N9B6A9Y5FGTSSS&#038;pf_rd_t=101&#038;pf_rd_p=470938631&#038;pf_rd_i=507846&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vermiculture Technology: Earthworms, Organic Wastes, and Environmental Management&lt;/a&gt;
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bentley &#8211; I&#8217;m pretty sure that is the case; most universities are connected through an ILL (interlibrary loan) system. Because I&#8217;m currently researching issues like moisture and pH re: growth of worms, I&#8217;ve been looking through a lot of literature and creating pdfs of studies I will be referencing. I can send them your way if you like.</p>
<p>Also excited for this upcoming release:<br />
<a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1439809879/ref=s9_simh_gw_p14_d2_i1?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&amp;pf_rd_s=center-2&amp;pf_rd_r=0D4GJ6N9B6A9Y5FGTSSS&amp;pf_rd_t=101&amp;pf_rd_p=470938631&amp;pf_rd_i=507846" rel="nofollow">Vermiculture Technology: Earthworms, Organic Wastes, and Environmental Management</a></p>
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		By: Kator		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kator]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 23:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Great idea Bentley .. and the material is very interesting. Please keep it coming.

Every paper that I’ve reviewed points to moisture control as being very relevant to a productive operation and as you refer, I also experimented with wigglers proving that they can survive (not necessarily thrive) in water. That experiment ran for 43 days before I terminated it (Bti testing).

I now have three Rubbermaid bins and one stacked wooden flow-through indoor setup going, all initiated from my original 1 pound supply of wigglers - into my fifth month. My original Rubbermaid bin is my primary breeder and the moisture in that bin averages 80% (meter read). All feed is blended and fed in fashioned cardboard troughs. Bin three is receiving quite a bit of pumpkin these days with about a four month supply in reserve.
 
Your point on moisture, which you cautioned when I first started, is really important. In my case, every bin requires individual attention. It has been my limited experience that moisture retention/environment is dependent in large part on the maturity/type of bedding and quantity of mature/processed VC present. Controlling that is a little labour intensive but rewarding, my goal being expansion/optimum breeding conditions.
 
I mist spray for moisture control and really have to watch the wooden flow-though as it will not retain a similar level of moisture like the rubber bins, but does provide much better air flow. It’s relatively new to my little operation and it will take a few months to assess productivity and make comparisons to rubber bin production.  Rubber bins work if you are attentive and keep the material aerobic. I may eventually be converted, but for now it’s working very well.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great idea Bentley .. and the material is very interesting. Please keep it coming.</p>
<p>Every paper that I’ve reviewed points to moisture control as being very relevant to a productive operation and as you refer, I also experimented with wigglers proving that they can survive (not necessarily thrive) in water. That experiment ran for 43 days before I terminated it (Bti testing).</p>
<p>I now have three Rubbermaid bins and one stacked wooden flow-through indoor setup going, all initiated from my original 1 pound supply of wigglers &#8211; into my fifth month. My original Rubbermaid bin is my primary breeder and the moisture in that bin averages 80% (meter read). All feed is blended and fed in fashioned cardboard troughs. Bin three is receiving quite a bit of pumpkin these days with about a four month supply in reserve.</p>
<p>Your point on moisture, which you cautioned when I first started, is really important. In my case, every bin requires individual attention. It has been my limited experience that moisture retention/environment is dependent in large part on the maturity/type of bedding and quantity of mature/processed VC present. Controlling that is a little labour intensive but rewarding, my goal being expansion/optimum breeding conditions.</p>
<p>I mist spray for moisture control and really have to watch the wooden flow-though as it will not retain a similar level of moisture like the rubber bins, but does provide much better air flow. It’s relatively new to my little operation and it will take a few months to assess productivity and make comparisons to rubber bin production.  Rubber bins work if you are attentive and keep the material aerobic. I may eventually be converted, but for now it’s working very well.</p>
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		By: Bentley		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bentley]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 15:50:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[ANNA - was silly of me not to include that info! Thanks for asking.
The containers were 250 ml. Again, I wouldn&#039;t assume that one could come up with an &quot;ideal&quot; density for a regular worm bin based on this (since a completely different system) but you could at least get some idea.
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JORGE - Thanks for sharing. That book actually sounds really interesting. Are you saying it could be ordered via a university fairly easily (my father is a semi-retired prof so could help me out there).
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LARRY - I&#039;ve seen some evidence to indicate (and have read) that Euros like it wet, but as you say, Efs sure like the moisture as well!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ANNA &#8211; was silly of me not to include that info! Thanks for asking.<br />
The containers were 250 ml. Again, I wouldn&#8217;t assume that one could come up with an &#8220;ideal&#8221; density for a regular worm bin based on this (since a completely different system) but you could at least get some idea.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
JORGE &#8211; Thanks for sharing. That book actually sounds really interesting. Are you saying it could be ordered via a university fairly easily (my father is a semi-retired prof so could help me out there).<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
LARRY &#8211; I&#8217;ve seen some evidence to indicate (and have read) that Euros like it wet, but as you say, Efs sure like the moisture as well!</p>
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		By: Larry D.		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 12:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I found out with a euro test about moisture.I have no way to measure it.But one is wetter than the other.The real wet one has a little smell with fewer babies.The other is still wetter than you would normally keep a bin.But it has three times the babies it appears.Is it 85 percent moisture?I would guess yes.But have no way to check it.It is neat to have the same amount adults sitting on top of each other,and get two different results!
 They say euros like it wetter though.But my EFs like some moisture too!]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found out with a euro test about moisture.I have no way to measure it.But one is wetter than the other.The real wet one has a little smell with fewer babies.The other is still wetter than you would normally keep a bin.But it has three times the babies it appears.Is it 85 percent moisture?I would guess yes.But have no way to check it.It is neat to have the same amount adults sitting on top of each other,and get two different results!<br />
 They say euros like it wetter though.But my EFs like some moisture too!</p>
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		By: Jorge		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jorge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Nov 2010 01:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Bentley, 

I&#039;ve been trying out Clive Edwards&#039; suggestions of &#039;optimal&#039; conditions for a worm bin and one thing that has been really surprising is how much moisture vermicast/vermicompost can retain and not seem &#039;too wet&#039;. My bin at school is kept between 80-85% by monitoring the moisture using 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://compost.css.cornell.edu/calc/moisture_content.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;gravimetric analysis&lt;/a&gt;
, and yet it still seems &#039;dryer&#039; than any plastic bin I&#039;ve ever had.

Definitely one of the great perks to still being in school is the access to unlimited scholarly journals. I don&#039;t know if all schools have this but the City Univ. of New York let&#039;s me order books via WorldCat from practically any institution in the world - which I would never be able to afford myself. I just got Zenjhun&#039;s Vermiculture &#038; Vermiprotein - can&#039;t wait to dig into it. 
Great Post!

-j]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Bentley, </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been trying out Clive Edwards&#8217; suggestions of &#8216;optimal&#8217; conditions for a worm bin and one thing that has been really surprising is how much moisture vermicast/vermicompost can retain and not seem &#8216;too wet&#8217;. My bin at school is kept between 80-85% by monitoring the moisture using<br />
<a href="http://compost.css.cornell.edu/calc/moisture_content.html" rel="nofollow">gravimetric analysis</a><br />
, and yet it still seems &#8216;dryer&#8217; than any plastic bin I&#8217;ve ever had.</p>
<p>Definitely one of the great perks to still being in school is the access to unlimited scholarly journals. I don&#8217;t know if all schools have this but the City Univ. of New York let&#8217;s me order books via WorldCat from practically any institution in the world &#8211; which I would never be able to afford myself. I just got Zenjhun&#8217;s Vermiculture &amp; Vermiprotein &#8211; can&#8217;t wait to dig into it.<br />
Great Post!</p>
<p>-j</p>
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		By: Anna		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anna]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 19:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bentley, I no longer have free access to academic articles, so I&#039;m thrilled you&#039;ve decided to undertake these reviews.  

So now for the questions...did the Dominguez and Edwards happen to mention the exact size of the containers they used?  I think that having an ideal worm-to-volume ratio might help me better visualize the ideal population density in there study.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bentley, I no longer have free access to academic articles, so I&#8217;m thrilled you&#8217;ve decided to undertake these reviews.  </p>
<p>So now for the questions&#8230;did the Dominguez and Edwards happen to mention the exact size of the containers they used?  I think that having an ideal worm-to-volume ratio might help me better visualize the ideal population density in there study.</p>
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